1. Tyler Simmons February 10, 2011 at 8:50 pm

   Thank you for the very thorough answer Paul, much appreciated.

   I hadn’t reviewed anything for about 2 years on amazon, but your book so exceeded my expectations that it just deserved to have a review.

   One more question. I work in a Human Performance Lab at a University in northern California. We do nutrition assessment, GXT’s, body composition tests, etc. The nutrition part is becoming one of our most popular services.

   I spoke to the director of the Human Performance Lab today about how impressed I am with the book, and recommended it as a resource for the people working in the lab and students that assist in their, and he is considering purchasing some for our use.

   Do you have any type of discount for educational institutions?

   Best,

   Tyler Simmons

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2. Paul Jaminet February 10, 2011 at 9:29 pm

   Hi Tyler,

   Yes, we do bulk order discounts for orders of 5 or more. Send me an email with the number of books you’d like a quote for, and I’ll send you a quote.

   Thanks for spreading the word! I would love to have our book be picked up by academics and clinical services.

   Best, Paul

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3. Robert February 10, 2011 at 11:40 pm

   I wonder if anyone has any experiences with the Carlson Vit K2 5mg suppliments. I’ve found that either I’ve jumped too quickly to the high dose (was on 120mg before) and shocked my system, or if it’s just outright too much for me.

   It has really seems to mess with my digestion. Not in any painful way, though. I’ve cut back and now only take one 5mg once a week, but I still notice the affect even on this level.

   I think doseage at this level might be a bit excessive. Maybe only useful when treating disease. Anyway, I plan to try out the medium dose you recommend and see what happens.

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   • Paul Jaminet February 11, 2011 at 8:05 am

     Hi Robert,

     We’ve also experienced minor issues jumping directly to 5 mg … If you try the medium dose one for a while then the 5 mg one is no longer a problem. I guess we should add more warnings about rapid dose increases.

     Best, Paul

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4. Perry February 11, 2011 at 1:32 pm

   Hi Paul,

   I’m having difficulty finding iodine levels in a typical roasted Nori seaweed, whole sheet.

   One reference said a seaweed manufacturer told them it was in the neighborhood of 105 mcg for the sheet.

   Do you have any info?

   thank you, Perry

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5. Paul Jaminet February 11, 2011 at 1:39 pm

   Hi Perry,

   That sounds about right. Nori is pretty low in iodine. Kelp is very high. You can get milligram doses very quickly from kelp.

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6. Perry February 11, 2011 at 1:47 pm

   Thanks, the kelp tablets I picked up have just 225 mcg per tablet so with the multi at 150mcg, I’m still well under a gram.

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7. Rodney February 22, 2011 at 3:36 pm

   Hi Paul,

   I hate to saddle you with my computer issues, but on my Mac running Firefox I only see the left hand box with the supplements listed by name. The next three columns of boxes are all blank, with no recommended products showing up.

   Is this a problem with my computer set-up, and is there an easy fix? Thanks!

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8. Paul Jaminet February 22, 2011 at 4:25 pm

   Hi Rodney,

   I’ve made some HTML changes. If those haven’t fixed it, then I’ll try switching from the Transitional doctype to the Frameset doctype. Is it working now?

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9. Rodney February 22, 2011 at 11:37 pm

   Thanks Paul, but I still only see writing in the left-most column.

   Again, I don’t expect you to serve as tech support in addition to all of your real work here, I just thought there might be a simple setting I could change to see the last three columns.

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10. Justin February 23, 2011 at 12:47 am

    Hey Rodney,

    Are you using Adblock? That would do it.

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11. anand srivastava February 23, 2011 at 5:43 am

    Hi Paul,

    I think supplementing K2 together with D3 helps. My wife had a problem of high calcium after taking D3, but when combined with K2, the problem doesn’t happen. I think that might be because K2 helps in utilization of the extra Calcium.

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12. Paul Jaminet February 23, 2011 at 7:20 am

    Hi anand,

    Yes, it does. K2 is very important! It has a huge mortality benefit too.

    Chris Masterjohn has written of D/K2/A interactions, you might search his blog if you’re curious about the calcium effects.

    Hi Rodney,

    Let me know if Adblock is the issue, then I’ll try the Frameset change.

    Best, Paul

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13. Rodney February 23, 2011 at 1:32 pm

    Bingo!

    Thanks Paul. I forget that I even have Adblock, and was expecting the supplement list to just be a written list, not the links to the products…duh!!

    All is right in my world again, and thanks for going out of your way to solve MY personal problem!

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14. Rodney Daut February 23, 2011 at 7:40 pm

    I noticed that the De Boles Pasta Rice Fettuccine has rice bran extract in it. Is that something OK to eat? Or are there no toxins in the rice bran extract?

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15. Paul Jaminet February 23, 2011 at 8:08 pm

    Hi Rodney,

    There are toxins in rice bran, which is why we favor white rice over brown rice. However, they’re not as dangerous as other grain toxins.

    Rice tends to need extra protein or oil to make a good noodle, as it doesn’t stick together that well. I guess they wanted to use rice protein for that purpose.

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16. Rodney Daut February 24, 2011 at 12:51 am

    OK Paul thanks for answering my question. So would you say that the various puffed rice products such as rice cakes are OK then since they are made with very little rice? I tried shopping around endlessly for some made from white rice to no avail.

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17. Paul Jaminet February 24, 2011 at 7:57 am

    Hi Rodney, we don’t oppose eating brown rice. It’s just not as highly recommended as white rice.

    So I think it’s fine to buy puffed rice products made from brown rice.

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18. Perry February 24, 2011 at 12:04 pm

    I just noticed in a prior message I wrote:

    “Thanks, the kelp tablets I picked up have just 225 mcg per tablet so with the multi at 150mcg, I’m still well under a gram.”

    Though the statement is correct :-), I meant to say milligram (mg) not gram. Didn’t want to throw anyone off, sorry.

    Hi Paul,

    I have been slowly adding iodine, I’m at about 500mcg daily and I have been having somewhat of a surprising reaction…

    Spaciness or a feeling of euforia and detachment.
    Tingling in major joints almost like an internal itchiness.

    Lastly and slightly scary, some weakness in the right leg.

    Mild hypothyroid symptoms have abated, no more dry facial skin.

    It seems like the iodine is acting like a mild antibiotic. Did you have anything similar?

    Thank you for time.

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19. Paul Jaminet February 24, 2011 at 12:28 pm

    Hi Perry,

    I didn’t start iodine until I had been on regular antibiotics so all my symptoms were thyroid related.

    However, iodine can be a rate-limiting nutrient for immune response to many pathogens. It definitely has antibiotic activity.

    Remind me – do you have joint problems?

    Best, Paul

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20. Perry February 24, 2011 at 12:49 pm

    Yes, that’s what lead to eight years of Ibuprofen use 200-400 mg daily. The Ibuprofen took all inflammation away. My doctor was aware of it and on board with the NSAID use.

    When I stared having other problems, I realized (simple google searching) what problems they can cause.

    I went PANU via Kurt Harris and initially felt great for 3 months with no inflammation which had kicked up after halting Ibuprofen, then severe glucose deficiency problems hit and I added starch back and along came the joint problems and they spread as well, i.e, base of neck was sore for two months.

    I have suspected an infection for along time.

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21. Paul Jaminet February 24, 2011 at 12:54 pm

    Joints are common sites of infection, C pn often collects there and I’m sure others, this often leads to arthritis.

    The ibuprofen unfortunately tends to mess up the gut and increase the infectious burden. It alleviates symptoms short-term but aggravates the disease.

    Good that you’re dealing with it. Keep building up the iodine!

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22. Perry February 24, 2011 at 1:01 pm

    Paul, one last thing if I may impose again.

    Assuming no real adverse reactions to the increasing dose of iodine, do you recommend taking it to 50 mg before possibly going on an antibiotic protocol or maybe starting the antibiotics sometime sooner?

    Thanks again.

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23. Paul Jaminet February 24, 2011 at 1:18 pm

    If you know what pathogens are infecting you, then I would start appropriate antibiotics right away.

    If you don’t know, so therapy has to be experimental, then I would try to minimize variables. If you reach stability with the iodine, then it will be easier to interpret the body’s reaction to the antibiotic.

    If the infection is progressing slowly and/or is less severe, then you can go slower and do the iodine first. If it’s more severe or progressing rapidly, then you want to exploit the tools of medicine.

    But you can proceed with diagnostic steps immediately – it may be easier to detect pathogens before the iodine diminishes their numbers extracellularly. Antibody tests are not very reliable but can give some information.

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24. JBG February 26, 2011 at 12:47 pm

    I haven’t read through all the comments, so this may have been discussed already.

    How did you come to choose the Centrum multi? Looking at its constituents, it looks terrible…artificial colors, aluminum, synthetic vitamin E, folic acid, sodium bezoate, etc, etc.

    Maybe Dr. Fuhrman’s formulation would do, although it is not perfect:
    http://www.drfuhrman.com/shop/GCF.aspx
    (Scroll down a long ways to get to the actual constituent listing)

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25. Paul Jaminet February 26, 2011 at 1:11 pm

    Hi JBG,

    I confess I got a little fed up searching multivitamins, it was hard to find any that were not flawed in my view.

    Centrum is inexpensive, the nutrient quantities are reasonable, and though the ingredients may not be of the highest quality, we trust the manufacturer to keep extraneous toxins out and to avoid excessive doses. The biggest problems with supplements have come with extraneous toxins (e.g. the Showa Denko tryptophan scandal) or with excessive doses (like the time vitamin D capsules were made with huge doses).

    The better multivitamins are also more expensive, and it was hard to find one that we could endorse unqualifiedly.

    Fuhrman’s does look good, but is not sold by Amazon. Thanks for the suggestion.

    Best, Paul

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26. JBG February 27, 2011 at 10:09 am

    Paul, your quick, careful, frank replies are as impressive as everything else about your work. You are, I’m convinced, an immense force for good in the world.

    Re multi’s, I gave up long ago on finding a satisfactory one. Looking for something that has to meet criteria on so many different dimensions is an inherently unpromising process.

    I’m not by any means pushing Fuhrman’s, but I hope that ‘not sold by Amazon’ is not in general a deal breaker on things that you can recommend and provide links to.

    John

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27. Paul Jaminet February 27, 2011 at 11:00 am

    Hi John,

    We can certainly recommend things not sold by Amazon, but we would need personal familiarity with the products.

    I’m content for now to list Amazon products in our table and to let readers suggest alternatives in the comments, as you’ve done. Among our readers as a whole, there’s a much wider range of experience than Shou-Ching and I personally can muster. I hope people don’t think the table above is gospel. We’re not trying to exclude alternatives, just suggest some possibilities.

    Best, Paul

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28. JBG March 4, 2011 at 4:46 pm

    Paul — From a reply you made to an earlier comment way above: “Polyunsaturated fats and fructose/alcohol should be kept very low, and never consumed at the same time.”

    My practice has been to eat my mixed fresh fruit along with a couple ounces of ground seeds — pumpkin, sunflower, flax, sesame — the idea being that the fat in the seeds would facilitate absorption of the polyphenols in the fruit. (Besides, it tastes really good!) I know your quoted statement above was directed at a different situation, but I’m wondering whether the reasoning carries over to my mixture of fructose and PUFAs?

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29. Paul Jaminet March 4, 2011 at 5:04 pm

    Hi JBG,

    Yes, I think PUFAs are safest eaten apart from sugars, and fructose in particular is best eaten with saturated or monounsaturated fats, not PUFAs.

    So when eating omega-6 rich seeds, I would not have them with fruits containing fructose, but with starches or meats.

    When eating fruit, I would have it with cream, coconut milk, beef fat, or a similar fat source.

    Best, Paul

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30. Perry March 4, 2011 at 5:27 pm

    Hi Paul,

    I have been avoiding my nightly glass of wine ( or two) when we eat salmon…do you do the same? Do you know of a safe time period where one will clear the liver? For instance, is a glass of wine one hour before fish good enough or does the liver need more time?

    Thanks

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31. Paul Jaminet March 4, 2011 at 6:07 pm

    Hi Perry,

    I confess I do sip some wine while eating salmon dinners … but it would be better to let the liver handle them separately!

    I’m not sure how long the processing takes but an hour sounds like a good guess. That seems close to the half-life of tipsiness, if I remember my college days correctly.

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32. chris March 4, 2011 at 6:09 pm

    raw cocoa powder is a good source of copper and tastes great with soured cream and banana 🙂

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33. Gonçalo Moreira March 10, 2011 at 7:02 am

    Hi Paul,

    two questions:

    -there is a cheaper k2 product called “Vitamin K-2 100 mcg – 100 Vcaps®” form now foods but it doesn’t say which kind of menaquinone it is. If it’s mk-6 is it worse?someone on amazon was saying it is and that it is inferior. I’m waiting for the company answer.

    from the Primal Wisdom blog-“Menaquinones formed by gut bacteria (MK-6 to MK-11) occur in a membrane-bound condition that inhibits absorption ”

    -there is a cheaper magnesium product called “Swanson Triple Magnesium Complex” Features magnesium oxide, citrate, and aspartate. Are those two non recommended forms acceptable?

    Thanks
    Gonçalo

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34. Paul Jaminet March 10, 2011 at 9:52 am

    Hi Goncalo,

    I haven’t seen any MK-6 formulations. Usually they use MK-7 taken from bacterial fermentation (e.g. natto) for lower-dose pills and synthetic MK-4 for higher-dose pills.

    Both work, both get absorbed. If absorption is a bit lower for MK-7, that just means your dose is a bit lower than the label amount. It will still help.

    Magnesium citrate and aspartate are both forms we would recommend and support. Oxide is not as helpful. From Swanson I might suggest the “Albion chelated magnesium” or the “Super strength magnesium citrate”.

    Best, Paul

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35. Gonçalo Moreira March 10, 2011 at 1:02 pm

    Thanks a lot

    just one thing. On vitamin K2 you say- Low dose: 100 mcg MK-7
    Moderately high dose: 100 mcg MK-7. Isn’t it the same amount?

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36. Paul Jaminet March 10, 2011 at 1:09 pm

    Hi Goncalo,

    Those comments are referring to the 3 products to the right of the comment. The first has only 100 mcg MK-7, no MK-4; the one in the middle has 100 mcg MK-7, 1000 mcg MK-4. Since both are forms of K2, the first is “low dose K2”, the second “moderately high dose K2”.

    Best, Paul

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37. Gonçalo Moreira March 10, 2011 at 1:19 pm

    ok thanks

    the Cheap product I referred to before, namely “Vitamin K-2 100 mcg – 100 Vcaps®” from Now foods after all is MK-4, the company told me, not MK-6. Is it too low?

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38. Paul Jaminet March 10, 2011 at 1:45 pm

    Hi Goncalo,

    It’s not too low to help you. In fact most of the benefit comes from the first 100 mcg.

    However, it’s non-toxic and benefits continue, just at a lower rate, from higher doses. You balance cost vs benefit. 100 mcg is a good way to start. It will keep you from heart disease and osteoporosis.

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39. Gonçalo Moreira March 10, 2011 at 4:40 pm

    Ok thanks a lot

    By the way, I would like to give a suggestion for people from Europe.

    Through Swanson’ website I was able to purchase all the supplements that you recommend by a much cheaper price than either amazon.uk or amazon.com beacause of cheaper products and cheaper international shipping rates.

    I live in Portugal and I’m able to have all the supplements for more or less 15 euros a month. If someone knows a cheaper alternative please share.

    Warm Wishes

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40. JVN March 11, 2011 at 5:49 am

    I started supplementing with iodine at 600mcg daily dose a couple of months ago. After a month I noticed I had rash all over my both ribs, thighs and armpits. I never had anything like that before. I think my mood went a little down also.

    Then I came across this study in which they found large doses of arsenic in 9 of 10 kelp supplements.
    http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/17450231

    A week ago I stopped taking kelp and the rash is already fading off.

    So I’d suggest to be careful with kelp supplements.

    I’d like to supplement with iodine but there seems to be no other than kelp supplements out there. Eating seaweed could be an option but it’s a bit hard because you don’t know the iodine dose you’re getting and you should build the dose up gradually. Any suggestions?

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41. Paul Jaminet March 11, 2011 at 8:09 am

    Hi JVN,

    Ouch! Thanks for letting us know. I knew kelp had these contaminants, which is why we encourage the shift to Iodoral/Lugol’s (pure iodine) for doses above 1 mg, but I didn’t realize the problem could be this bad even at low doses. Kelp also has other halogens like bromine which can cause rashes like yours.

    Unfortunately it’s hard to find low-dose potassium iodide tablets. I guess the solution would be to get a liquid tincture and dilute the drops.

    See, e.g., Lugol’s Iodine (2%) 2 fl oz Liquid. One drop is 2.5 mg so a 5 x dilution would get that down to 0.5 mg.

    Best, Paul

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42. Gonçalo Moreira March 11, 2011 at 9:05 am

    on swanson’s website:

    Life Flow,Liquid Iodine Plus-4,60 $ 2oz.-150mcg for 3 drops

    NOW Foods, Potassium Plus Iodine(potassium iodide not liquid) 5,86 $ 180 tablets,225mcg per tablet(also has potassium chloride and sodium alginate)

    TPCS, Iosol Formula II 11,90$ 1oz. 1 drop=1830mcg

    J.Crow Company Lugol’s Iodine (2%) Distilled water 94%. Potassium Iodide 4%. Iodine 2%.(no info of quantity per drop)

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43. KKC March 11, 2011 at 9:19 am

    Hi Paul, JVN,

    There is also Iosol Iodine, a glycerine-based liquid preparation that is dosed by the drop. See: http://www.wellnessresources.com/products/iosol_iodine.php

    One drop = 1.8 mcg Iodine. At one drop in 2 oz water, one teaspoon (5mL) = 150 mcg (conveniently the RDA), so one Tablespoon (15mL) = 450 mcg. One ounce contains near the Tolerable Upper Intake Level (UL) of 1.1 mg daily. See: http://lpi.oregonstate.edu/infocenter/minerals/iodine/ for more.

    I have both the Iosol and Iodoral on hand to use, for variety.

    Best, KKC

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44. Paul Jaminet March 11, 2011 at 9:24 am

    Thanks, Goncalo and KKC!

    Thanks, Goncalo, I didn’t know you could buy pre-diluted solutions or the low-dose tablets.

    KKC, just beware, one drop of Iosol Iodine is 1.8 mg, not mcg, so it would need 4-fold dilution to get to 0.5 mg / 500 mcg.

    There you go, JVN. Guess you can avoid the kelp entirely.

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45. KKC March 11, 2011 at 9:58 am

    Paul, thanks for catching my typo! (And here I was trying to be SO very careful & precise.) 🙂

    Otherwise my values stand. Enjoy your day!

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46. JVN March 11, 2011 at 10:52 am

    Thank you guys!

    I quess the low dose liquid ones are my best bet since I’m not sure about the potassium and sodium content in the Now Foods Potassium Plus tablets.

    Paul, I was taking 600mcg a month and then for a while 1,2mg. Now that I’ve been a couple off weeks without what dose should I start taking again?

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47. Paul Jaminet March 11, 2011 at 11:19 am

    Hi JVN,

    Start with the highest dose that feels comfortable. You might try 1 mg or so and see if you get hyperthyroid symptoms. Don’t take it shortly before some challenging work task. If you do then maybe back off and do a bit less for a few weeks, then try again.

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48. Justin March 11, 2011 at 11:25 am

    Hey Paul,

    I was going to mention the first two products Goncalo did. I’ve seen them on Iherb, perhaps you could make links to there when Amazon doesn’t have something? I think they have a much wider selection, and seem very popular among most heavy supplement users I’ve encountered. Colpo mentioned ordering BCAA’s from them in a recent post.

    I don’t know how it would compare to Amazon in supporting your blog but they have a reward program using referral codes (Like mine, URI198. An email address can also be used):

    https://www.iherb.com/RewardLogin

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49. Paul Jaminet March 11, 2011 at 11:27 am

    Thanks, Justin. I’ll look into it. I appreciate the suggestion.

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50. Gonçalo Moreira March 11, 2011 at 11:41 am

    a)TPCS, Iosol Formula II 11,90$ 1oz. 1 drop=1830mcg (on swanson)
    http://www.swansonvitamins.com/TPC001/ItemDetail?n=0 (11,90 $ and shipping 4.99$)

    and

    b)Iosol Iodine(the one KKC cited)
    http://www.wellnessresources.com/products/iosol_iodine.php $14.40 and shipping $6.50

    have exactly the same consituents and both product’s price and shipping rate are lower on swanson’s

    only one difference: a) has 610 servings and b) has 620. ( I don’t know if it’s really accurate)

    then there is (on swanson’s)

    Iosol Formula II 8 oz. 74,90 $ 4880 drops- 1 drop=1830(becomes even cheaper

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