Low-Protein Leanness, Melanesians, and Hara Hachi Bu

Gunther gatherer raised an interesting issue in a comment to Tuesday’s post.  Protein may be satiating in the short run; but what about the long run?

[H]igh protein keeps you full at first. But no one really knows for how long. Eventually it stops working and you find you’re eating a lot ON TOP of all the high protein you were already eating. All of us here tried Atkins long ago and fell off the bandwagon more than enough times to know it gets boring, stops working against hunger and doesn’t keep the fat off forever.

I agree. This is why we recommend a version of the normal Perfect Health Diet, which is normal — not high — in protein, for weight loss. Our diet isn’t the quickest way to lose weight, but we think it is likely to work best in the long run.

The Long-Term Effects of High-Protein Diets

I argued in Tuesday’s post that the satiating effects of protein had to be temporary, and that in the long run higher protein might cause, not reduced appetite, but only a slight change toward a leaner body composition.

A more interesting question is:  could high-protein diets be positively harmful?

Maybe!  Studies in both animals and humans indicate that eating high protein during childhood creates a predisposition for obesity in later life.

For instance, rats raised on a high-protein diet in childhood are more likely to become obese when given calorie-rich (sugar and fat) diets in adulthood. [1] The researchers conclude:

Our research demonstrating a significant susceptibility to an obese phenotype in rats weaned onto a high-protein diet and then challenged in adulthood with a high-fat high-sucrose diet suggests that lasting changes result from altering the composition of the first solid food that is consumed throughout growth into early adulthood. While all rats in this study consumed the same high energy diet during the last 6 weeks of the intervention, distinct metabolic profiles remained evident from exposure to the different diets during growth. This would suggest that these changes, either long-lasting or perhaps permanent, ultimately influenced the adiposity response of these rats to a high energy challenge in adulthood. Overall, it appears that a long-term diet high in protein, when mismatched with a high energy challenge, has negative effects on body mass and hormones and genes involved in glucose and lipid metabolism. [1]

The same phenomenon occurs in humans. In the book we mentioned a study showing that slightly higher protein level in infant formula – 9% protein vs 7% normally – caused children to become overweight two years later. [2]

So parents, let your kids follow their taste buds to high-carb, high-fat diets!

Might adult high protein diets promote later-life obesity too? I’m not aware of evidence, but I don’t think the possibility can be ruled out. I will look for evidence when I do research for two future blog series: one on protein intake, aging, and longevity; the other on connections between obesity and the human aging program.

Can You Be Lean on a Low-Protein Diet?

Tuesday’s post cited research indicating that we have a set point for protein intake: humans are genetically programmed to seek around 360 protein calories per day, and appetite becomes satiated once that is achieved.

But if protein intake determines appetite, then it seems those eating a low-protein diet face a Hobson’s choice:

  • If total calories are not increased, then the low protein dieter can expect to have a chronically unsatisfied appetite.
  • If total calories are increased, so that appetite is satisfied, then the low protein dieter can expect a higher equilibrium weight and a slightly less lean body.

Is it possible, then, to restrict protein, eat mostly carbs and fat which we know are the ingredients of appetizing desserts – and still achieve a lean healthy body, and feel comfortable? 

Yes, I believe so.

Melanesians Do It

Gunther pointed out that Melanesians are lean and long-lived on low protein diets:

I think it would be a bit fairer to include some consideration and explanation of Melanesians and their extremely low protein diet (anywhere from 10% to only 3% protein daily). Their extremely high level fitness and body composition flies in the face of all of these high protein studies.

It’s true: Kitavans, Tokelauans, and other Melanesians eat high-carb and low-protein, yet they’re noted for “extreme leanness.” [3] Why?

Well, first of all, the Melanesian islander diet is a variant of the Perfect Health Diet:  it is entirely free of food toxins. As I argued last week, eliminating toxins is the key to healthy weight regulation. But there are other factors.

Coconut Oil

The most abundant fatty acid in the diets of Kitavans and Tokelauans is lauric acid, the 12-carbon fatty acid which is the predominant fatty acid in coconut oil. [4, 5] These shorter-chain fatty acids are ketogenic and have significant effects on the body: for instance, they raise HDL levels. They also make people lean.

In one study, 8 weeks taking 1 tbsp per day coconut oil caused a significant decrease in body weight, waist size, and blood triglycerides. [6] In another, obese women who received 2 tbsp (30 ml) coconut oil per day slimmed their waist and increased HDL without an increase in LDL, while a comparison group receiving soybean oil did not slim their waist and had lower HDL with higher LDL and total cholesterol. [7]

Resistant Starch

Another feature of the Melanesian diet is that the biggest share of calories came from “safe starches” like yams, sweet potatoes, and sago.

These foods have a lot of fiber in the form of “resistant starch.” Digestion of resistant starch by colonic bacteria produces a lot of butyrate, a short-chain fatty acid that strongly promotes leanness.

For example, butyrate improves insulin sensitivity and prevents rats from becoming obese. [8]

Hara Hachi Bu

But the most reliable strategy seems to have been worked out by Asian and Pacific cultures long ago, many thousands of years ago.

The key is that if the diet is well nourishing, then appetite will be mild and easy to consciously control. What will be experienced is not hunger, which indicates malnourishment, but a mild desire for food that can easily be ignored.

There is an ancient Chinese saying:

“Eat until you are eight-tenths full, walk 100 steps after meals, live 99 years.”

In Japanese the saying is Hara Hachi Bu, eat until eight-tenths full. Hara Hachi Bu is common practice in Okinawa, where it helped produce the world’s most long-lived population.

As we note in the book, the traditional Okinawan diet is extremely close to the Perfect Health Diet: the Okinawan diet was rich in safe starches and animal fats, and near the low end of our recommended protein range: Okinawans ate about 300 g (2/3 pound) meat and fish per day.

The key here is that on a low-protein diet, eating until eight-tenths full is not a calorie-restricted diet. It is a calorie-sufficient diet that isn’t quite satiating because it is low in protein.

Intermittent fasting is a helpful part of Hara Hachi Bu. Eating only within a relatively short window each day makes it easy to keep calories down.

My Experience

I have been practicing protein restriction for several years, eating coconut oil and safe starches for several years, and practicing daily intermittent fasting for over six months. I drink tea or lemon-flavored water through the morning, and on most days eat only between 2 pm and 8 pm. If I snack during the fast it is usually either a piece of dark chocolate or some coconut oil.

I sometimes go many days eating relatively little, then eat a lot for a few days. Physical activity – sports, intense exercise, running – increases my appetite noticeably. Regardless, I never feel hungry. It is easy to complete the daily fast: some tea, sometimes with coconut oil or dark chocolate, is enough. I now do total fasting on religious fast days – for instance, I now do a 64-hour fast from Holy Thursday through Easter Sunday morning. Generally, as soon as I focus my attention on work I forget that I wanted food.

(This is a very good sign for my health, by the way. During my long chronic illness I couldn’t tolerate fasting at all.)

I haven’t noticed difficulty adding muscle when I work out. I believe I would add muscle more easily on a higher-protein diet, but as it is I add muscle more easily than I used to on the standard American diet. I’m content with my body composition.


I am convinced that by eating coconut oil, getting carbs from safe starches, and practicing intermittent fasting and Hara Hachi Bu, most people can become well-muscled and lean on a low-protein diet without any sense of hardship.

Since a carb-fat mix is the classic recipe for dessert, this makes for an extremely tasty diet.

If you want the surest way to lose weight over the next few days, eat a high-protein diet. But if you want a long-term diet that maximizes longevity by restricting protein, consider eating a tablespoon or two of coconut oil per day, fasting for 16 hours a day, and finishing your meal eight-tenths full.  

If you walk a hundred steps after dinner, you just might become a healthy centenarian!


[1] Maurer AD et al. Consumption of diets high in prebiotic fiber or protein during growth influences the response to a high fat and sucrose diet in adulthood in rats. Nutr Metab (Lond). 2010 Sep 29;7:77. http://pmid.us/20920272.

[2] European Childhood Obesity Trial Study Group. Lower protein in infant formula is associated with lower weight up to age 2 y: a randomized clinical trial. Am J Clin Nutr. 2009 Jun;89(6):1836-45. http://pmid.us/19386747.

[3] Lindeberg S et al. Haemostatic variables in Pacific Islanders apparently free from stroke and ischaemic heart disease–the Kitava Study. Thromb Haemost. 1997 Jan;77(1):94-8. http://pmid.us/9031456.

[4] Lindeberg S et al. Lipoprotein composition and serum cholesterol ester fatty acids in nonwesternized Melanesians. Lipids. 1996 Feb;31(2):153-8. http://pmid.us/8835402.

[5] Lindeberg S, Vessby B. Fatty acid composition of cholesterol esters and serum tocopherols in Melanesians apparently free from cardiovascular disease – the Kitava study. Nutr Metab Cardiovasc Dis. 1995; 5: 45-53.

[6] Xue C et al. Consumption of medium- and long-chain triacylglycerols decreases body fat and blood triglyceride in Chinese hypertriglyceridemic subjects. Eur J Clin Nutr. 2009 Jul;63(7):879-86. http://pmid.us/19156155.

[7] Assunção ML et al. Effects of dietary coconut oil on the biochemical and anthropometric profiles of women presenting abdominal obesity.  Lipids. 2009 Jul;44(7):593-601. http://pmid.us/19437058.

[8] Gao Z et al. Butyrate improves insulin sensitivity and increases energy expenditure in mice. Diabetes. 2009 Jul;58(7):1509-17. http://pmid.us/19366864.

Leave a comment ?


  1. Hi Caleb,

    Yes, the immune response to extracellular pathogens can use a lot of glucose, and fungi seem to require more than anything else.

    But I’ve never seen an estimate of exactly how much. In my case, I would guess maybe 200 calories a day, since at that glucose intake I would behave similarly to normal people on zero-carb diets.

    You have the key supplements right. Other helpful ones are vitamin C, zinc, copper, and chromium.

    I don’t think it’s necessary to go over 600 carb calories. You might go close to it though. I would just try to be in the upper end of the PHD range. But go by how you feel.

  2. Is there any way for the reader to follow this blog via other methods beside with RSS? I can’t see it on any readers whil it is possible to view it from browser.

  3. Hi Fernando,

    Maybe I’ll work on setting up an email subscription service.

    But I don’t understand why our RSS feed won’t show up in your readers. Does anyone else have that problem?

    Best, Paul

  4. Your RSS feed works fine for me in Google Reader.

  5. Hi Paul,

    Is it possible to eat coconut butter (not oil) during fasts? I just found the Artisana brand and like it a lot. I’m wondering if I could have several spoonfuls of that throughout the day if I wanted to do a prolonged fast.

    Thanks for your help,

  6. Hi Alana,

    Yes, coconut butter is great. Coconut milk and cream are good too.

  7. Great! And thanks for the super-fast reply. I think one thing that sets you apart from many other health experts is how accessible you are, and how well you interact with your readers. It’s almost unthinkable that we should be able to contact the author of a health book to ask questions, but in reality, that’s exactly what should be encouraged in order to promote adherence, clear up confusion, and make the entire process of getting healthier all the more interesting and engaging.

    Sorry to be long-winded, but thank you again. And have a great weekend!

    Many thanks,

  8. Paul:

    What do you mean when you speak of your eating
    a ‘protein restricted’ version of the PHD???

    Could you elaborate of what you do eat on that plan
    from 2 pm to 8 pm???

    Thanks, Linda

  9. Hi Linda,

    Our “safe” protein range is pretty broad, 200 to 600 calories per day (50 to 150 g). I would consider the low end of that protein restricted (good for promoting autophagy) and the high end of that protein surplus (good for building muscle). Unrestricted (normal) protein intake usually ends up around 300 to 400 calories per day.

    The diet is similar, just tweaked a bit toward more fat. Eat ~ 1/2 lb of meat/eggs/fish per day or a little less.

    Best, Paul

  10. Can one eat the carb and fat combo without protein
    and not have a glycemic load problem and the
    attendent rise in insulin???

  11. Hi Linda,

    Yes. See this post: http://perfecthealthdiet.com/?p=4937. Normal physiological rises in insulin after low-carb meals are not a problem, probably beneficial actually.

    Best, Paul

  12. Mat Lalonde points out in his interview with Jimmy Moore (http://www.askthelowcarbexperts.com/2012/03/9-all-things-calories-calories-101-mat-lalonde/) that in the longevity trials of protein restricted animals, the protein is sourced from casein so any benefit in restriction could be attributed to a reduction in exposure to the inflammatory properties of casein and not necessarily all protein in general. He also said he tried protein restriction himself but experienced some adrenal/thyroid type symptoms (including trouble sleeping) and that fasting on top of protein restriction can exacerbate this since it’s seen by the body as starvation when done long term; he also mentioned that people posting on CRON forums are often infertile and depressed. Is 50g of protein enough for most people to avoid this?

  13. Hi Violet,

    Those are excellent questions.

    In Korean centenarians in a paper discussed by Matt Metzgar (http://www.mattmetzgar.com/matt_metzgar/2012/01/carb-intake-in-healthy-centenarians.html), average protein intake was 44 g/day = 176 calories per day.

    Now, the elderly are more efficient and need less protein than younger people. And definitely there are benefits to higher protein intake. So it is more a matter of balancing benefits and costs of different protein intakes, than about a clearly superior level.

    I think there’s a lot to be said for variability – intermittently high and low protein intake a la Ron Mignery.

    A lot more study is needed to resolve these issues and clarify the pros and cons. But overall, I think the evidence tends to support the view that low protein intake is better for longevity, but often does impair fertility, athleticism, and mood.

    Best, Paul

  14. Linda Seidman

    Could you post info on the whey you mention
    as a glutathione precursor?

    • It is called Immunocal sold by Immunotec. Email sandychick@verizon.net who can provide more info and you can purchase it from her. It is a patented bioactive undenatured whey protein clinically proven to increase glutathione.

  15. Linda Seidman

    What are your thoughts about the ‘growth
    factors’ in whey concentrate and dairy, in
    general?? Do ‘growth factors’ contribute to

  16. Hi Paul,

    What do you advise for cellulite ?
    In France, 😕 Dr Delabos writes too much vegetables and carbs with high GI like potates do produce cellulite.


    Moreover if they are not eaten at the “right” time of the day . What’s your thoughts about this ? Did you ever noticed there was an optimal moment to eat carbs in order they are not badly stocked.? Thanks,Maya

  17. Hi Paul,
    how long is the minimum safe feeding window?

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